Polars

amusgrave · 22 juli 2006 om 20:55

Doet iedereen hebben polars of de snelheidshoeken voor een Dufour 34. Dit is wat ik van grafiek heb vertaald. Heeft iedereen een andere informatie … Alan.

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4	6	8	10	12	14	16	20	25	30	Angle
2.9	4.3	5.3	5.9	6.2	6.3	6.5	6.6	6.8	6.8	40
3.5	5.0	6.0	6.5	6.7	6.9	7.0	7.1	7.2	7.25	50
3.9	5.4	6.4	6.8	7.0	7.1	7.2	7.4	7.5	7.6	60
4.15	5.6	6.5	7.0	7.2	7.3	7.5	7.7	7.8	7.9	70
4.2	5.7	6.6	7.1	7.4	7.6	7.7	7.9	8.1	8.2	80
4.1	5.6	6.5	7.0	7.3	7.6	7.8	8.1	8.3	8.4	90
3.9	5.3	6.3	6.8	7.1	7.4	7.7	8.1	8.4	8.5	100
3.4	4.9	5.9	6.5	6.9	7.1	7.4	7.9	8.3	8.5	110

Maatskip · 23 juli 2006 om 11:18

Hi Alen,
The table shown below is an update of the table I used last year to sail the 24-hours race (sail as many miles within 24 hours). For your information I also added my log and real wind table of last year which shows theoretical and realised values, courses and wind. If you have any questions just let me know. (total miles sailed: 161,9)
Polar:

Wind 2005:

Log 2005:

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Maatskip38921,564849537 ![2006-07-23_132833_Dufour_34_P_-_polar.JPG|608x162](upload://4WA7RPGtSMinXySlhCNAEaOW1h7.jpeg) ![2006-07-23_132855_wind_2005.JPG|334x183](upload://k8Qc14jkVJ5wjKOgl8TJMdqcZcr.jpeg)

amusgrave · 24 juli 2006 om 23:58

Thanks for the info … I based my info on the chart below which was given to me when I purchased. Did you apply the spinaker numbers or are these all white sail.
I only sail white sail at this point so wasn’t using the spinaker ratios. … Alan
amusgrave38923,0835532407

Maatskip · 25 juli 2006 om 07:34

I also use spinaker numbers, although the numbers in the log table are all except one sailed without spinaker. End of August I will sail again the 24 hours and have another good chance to validate the numbers.

amusgrave · 25 juli 2006 om 16:05

Do you have the data points for all of the items on the chart. All I have is a jpeg of the chart and its a little tough to read.
I’m looking for the white sail (genoa/main) point … thx.

Maatskip · 25 juli 2006 om 19:24

No unfortunately not. I also took for the first version of my table the data from a small picture (out of the brochure).
Rgds. Menno

amusgrave · 25 juli 2006 om 21:46

ok Thx … At what angle did you start applying spinaker points? … Alan

Maatskip · 26 juli 2006 om 17:16

At 105. I also took into account that with winds above 25 kts I will (probably) not use my spinnaker.
Menno

Cees · 13 november 2006 om 18:40

Beste allemaal,
ik ben in het bezit van een excell sheet met het programma Sailspeed, hierop staan alle Nederlands gemeten schepen van 2006.Je kan 6 schepen tegelijk vergelijken op Polar etc.De meetbrief gegevens kan je bij watersportverbond.nl/ ophalen en tevens is het daar mogelijk om je gegevens te updaten (hoe dit werkt weet ik nog niet).Op deze site staat de oude versie van Sailspeed.
Diegen welke hem hebben willen svp even een private mail sturen
groeten Cees

Maatskip · 13 november 2006 om 20:49

Hallo Cees,
Ook ik heb deze sheet al een paar jaar, maar nooit een update gevonden. Ben benieuwd naar de 2006 data. Stuur je wel ff een berichtje.
Groet, Menno

Hans_van_Gent · 14 november 2006 om 18:27

Polars,
Nou moet ik van de PP zeker ook zoiets gaan maken?
Niet schrikken dan h??
Of willen jullie het helemaal niet weten uit ‘angst’ LOL
Ciao,

Maatskip · 14 november 2006 om 18:34

Het zweet breekt mij uit

Hans_van_Gent · 14 november 2006 om 19:15

Ok?, dat is goed. Is het de hele winter spannend voor je, tot de Dufourdag.

Maatskip · 14 november 2006 om 20:01

Zorg jij wel dat je bemanning de hele winter in het krachthonk ligt te zweten dan? Topvorm zal nodig zijn om dat raspaard van je in bedwang te houden!! Ik bestel in ieder geval veel wind, dan dan trek ik ook de 1 P wel in plane

Dannick · 15 november 2006 om 07:29

Hans,
Volgens mij zit je te azen op een apart forum-hoofdstuk voor de 34PP naast die van de ‘gewone’ 34P. Of niet?
Gr
Nick

anon80322042 · 15 november 2006 om 14:23

Dan wordt het wel stil op het forum voor de gewone 34P
Vorig jaar ben ik op het water slechts 2 x een 34P tegengekomen. In beide gevallen weinig tegenstand ondervonden. Hopelijk kom ik er volgend jaar meer tegen die proberen mij een p… te laten ruiken

Hans_van_Gent · 15 november 2006 om 19:10

34 PP-ers, oh, sorry 34P-ers, (ik wil niet discrimineren, maar toch iets minder LOL )
Het krachthonk hebben wij niet nodig. Ik heb gewoon grotere genua-lieren genomen, scheelt weer en de grootschoot het een fijn-afstelling, dus…lux niet? en makkelijk!
En met die vele wind kan ik mooi die prima Thailandse HA-fok gebruiken!
Ciao,